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  • #2883
    Allan Campbell
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    This will add to the amount of anti cycling drivers. It cuts off a main escape route out of Harrogate town centre via Victoria Ave. and will add load onto the Prince of Wales roundabout and to top of Station Parade junction with the Stray.

    It will end up being dangerous to pedestrians and children if they walk etc on the road of Beech Grove. It’s effectively changing that section of road into a play area.

    They will disengage brains as they do and are all over the place. Abbey Road in Knaresborough is an example of this. Lived there and cycled it from 1970 to 2005.

    The only time that I ride my bike into Harrogate is to visit one of the 3 bike shops. Yes I use the Greenway but stay clear of the town centre. Why, no secure cycle parking/ garages.

    #3140
    David
    Keymaster

    I didn’t see this before, so I’m only replying now.

    I don’t agree that our objective should be to appease “anti-cycling drivers”. That will get us nowhere. There is majority support for better cycle infrastructure in Harrogate.

    I use Beech Grove regularly by bike and on foot. It was through traffic that caused the danger there before, and it is much safer and more pleasant now.

    Through traffic should stay on main roads; residential streets shouldn’t be part of the network for through traffic. If there are queues at the top of Station Parade meaning a journey takes a few seconds longer, it’s not a disaster. It might even encourage some people to go by bike instead – especially if there are safe routes.

    HDCA Supporters support the creation of a safe cycle network in Harrogate. It’s fine to disagree about exactly how it should be done, but it’s not the right forum for people who are hostile to the basic idea of a cycle network.

    #4203
    Patrick Rowley
    Participant

    To whom it concernsI have grave concerns regarding Becch Grove.Car drivers who used to use Beech Grove to get to Otley road are now traveling down Beech Grove due to the cycle route restriction.At this end of Beech Grove cyclists can go straight on using a pelican light system but drivers must turn left. I use this junction daily as a cyclist and have had several very nasty incidents where drivers have gone round the curbs at the end of Beech Grove so they too can go straight onto Victoria Ave and come close to knocking me off my bike.Unfortunately for cyclists the ‘pelican straight on’ section puts cyclists at the centre of the road so that when drivers decide to ignore the law and go straight on they end up crossing the cyclist’s path of travel.I therefore have taken upon myself to film these drivers. I have done 9 sessions of around 1/2 hour to 1 hour and have recorded 72 incidents which translate to about 1 offence every 5 minutesI have reported these offenses to the police and have incident numbers for all these offencesThe attached spread sheet gives you the details of these offenses.A police officerTS 1527 Ian McKenzieTraffic SergeantNorth Yorkshire PoliceRoad Policing GroupTadcasterLS24 9JR has contacted me and implied that they are having difficulty processing these incidents due to the volume and advised that TC Hutchings from the Road Safety team will contact me shortly

    Finally as a very keen cyclist both for work and pleasure I applaud any action that improves cyclists safety but unfortunately in its present form Beech Grove has proved to make my cycling more dangerousI look forward to your responseKind regardspatrick rowley

    #4451
    David
    Keymaster

    You raise an important point about law-breaking by drivers.

    The arrangements at the junction of Beech Grove, West Park and Victoria Avenue have not changed, and some drivers have always ignored the ‘left turn only’. The number doing so may have increased.

    Beech Grove itself is MUCH safer and more pleasant since the modal filters were put in. The response to law-breaking by drivers should be police enforcement, not removing a valuable active travel scheme.

    When NYCC build their Victoria Avenue scheme, this junction is likely to be changed and the problem should be resolved.

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