The detailed thought that has gone into these plans is understood and much appreciated. It will take a lot of time and study to be able to make useful comments, involving the need to cycle on these routes again to appreciate the options and recommendations.
Having said that, there are some immediate comments/points of concern. We must aim to make these routes inclusive – of different types of cycle and levels of ability of the riders. One factor that I stress on my own site, but is not recognised here, is the impact of slope – on the ability to make standing starts/restarts and on preferred direction of travel. For example. Kent Road North is very steep. There is also a very sharp turn at Oakdale – quite dangerous and difficult to make on a tricycle in particular. I strongly suggest lengthening the proposed signed route to turn left from Hereford Road onto Kent Road, then turn right to go round all of Oakdale.
There would then be no need to include Kent Avenue on the route – indeed I would suggest that the route continues all the way up York Road to Duchy Road, avoiding Clarence Drive.
One other general comment – I think it is going to be quite difficult to manage discussion of these plans through one comment box per zone, but I will wait to see just how many subscribers choose to comment this way.
In relation to Cornwall Road – when referring to cycle bypasses, the existing ones on Sussex Avenue are only wide enough for bicycles and so force riders of other types of cycle even further into the road. If adopted on Cornwall Road the must, of course, provide at least the recommended minimum width.
With regard to the proposed additional cycle route through Valley Gardens between Cornwall Road and Valley Drive. This, while desirable for the reasons stated, is not really a desire line – a term normally used for am unintended path worn away by cyclists and pedestrians avoiding detours and barriers.
In thinking and arguing in support of this it should not only be thought of as a more direct route, but also as a destination in its own right – for young people and families wanting to cycle to the skatepark, cafe, or play area. This means taking into account the need for cycle parking as well.
we went cycling to be seen as an alternative to driving and car parking.
The detailed thought that has gone into these plans is understood and much appreciated. It will take a lot of time and study to be able to make useful comments, involving the need to cycle on these routes again to appreciate the options and recommendations.
Having said that, there are some immediate comments/points of concern. We must aim to make these routes inclusive – of different types of cycle and levels of ability of the riders. One factor that I stress on my own site, but is not recognised here, is the impact of slope – on the ability to make standing starts/restarts and on preferred direction of travel. For example. Kent Road North is very steep. There is also a very sharp turn at Oakdale – quite dangerous and difficult to make on a tricycle in particular. I strongly suggest lengthening the proposed signed route to turn left from Hereford Road onto Kent Road, then turn right to go round all of Oakdale.
There would then be no need to include Kent Avenue on the route – indeed I would suggest that the route continues all the way up York Road to Duchy Road, avoiding Clarence Drive.
One other general comment – I think it is going to be quite difficult to manage discussion of these plans through one comment box per zone, but I will wait to see just how many subscribers choose to comment this way.
Good point about the steep gradient on the current signed route. We’ll add your suggested alternative route.
In relation to Cornwall Road – when referring to cycle bypasses, the existing ones on Sussex Avenue are only wide enough for bicycles and so force riders of other types of cycle even further into the road. If adopted on Cornwall Road the must, of course, provide at least the recommended minimum width.
With regard to the proposed additional cycle route through Valley Gardens between Cornwall Road and Valley Drive. This, while desirable for the reasons stated, is not really a desire line – a term normally used for am unintended path worn away by cyclists and pedestrians avoiding detours and barriers.
In thinking and arguing in support of this it should not only be thought of as a more direct route, but also as a destination in its own right – for young people and families wanting to cycle to the skatepark, cafe, or play area. This means taking into account the need for cycle parking as well.
we went cycling to be seen as an alternative to driving and car parking.
Good point about cycle parking – we’ll add that to the document.